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Offline Magnum164

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Replacing CP3
« on: September 07, 2013, 10:37:01 pm »
Hello, new to the forums.

Been following some links on the net about replacing a CP3 in my 2004.5 3500. Most of the pictures show a lot of room around the ECM. But I have the CP3 almost out, but seems something is keeping it from coming all the way out. Only thing I can see is the ECM is keeping me from bringing it further back to pull out.

Just curious if anyone else has had to remove the ECM to get the CP3 out and if I do is there anything to watch for. Not sure there is any other way at this point.

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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2013, 11:36:39 pm »
It will come out with the ECM in. It's been about 9 months since I've done a CP3, so I don't remember if there was anything else I had to remove to get it out.
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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2013, 12:56:59 am »
I hope so. Giving it a break for today. Hoping it is just since I've had two neck surgeries that my arms are just a little weak may get some help tomorrow and see if we can lift it out?

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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #3 on: September 08, 2013, 05:23:15 am »
It's got some weight to it. If you've got someone else with you I'd have them pull it out if you've got spinal injuries.
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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #4 on: September 08, 2013, 02:31:51 pm »
Yea, since it is a 4X4 and has a mezzanine for a front bumper I have a taller friend coming buy to give a hand. I may remove the bumper just to make it easier for us. I plan on either selling the bumper or cutting it up anyway.

Have to use a step ladder to get to the top of the truck then you have to pretty much lean down into the engine compartment, not an easy position for someone who has had a few neck surgeries:)

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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #5 on: September 08, 2013, 06:59:37 pm »
Don't cut it up. You can get a decent amount of money for it.
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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2013, 07:20:35 pm »
I think I will sell it now that it's off. I have someone who will weld up a bumper for me.

And I got the CP3 off after I took the bumper off. Easier to grab and work loose. Also, I was using the XDP puller and I had to back a few turns off the screws. I guess it let the gear move a little more, the shaft was binding on the very tip.

Now time to put everything back together, including a new intercooler and tuner... Hope it will still run when its all back together :smiley:

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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2013, 02:09:55 am »
good grief looks like the hardest part is going to get it back in line with the bore. Any ideas from anyone on how to get it done easy?

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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #8 on: September 10, 2013, 03:24:15 am »
good grief looks like the hardest part is going to get it back in line with the bore. Any ideas from anyone on how to get it done easy?

no such thing.  It has been a few years don't remember the tricks. 
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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #9 on: September 10, 2013, 03:41:19 am »
Worth a try :argh:  ill look around for an exploded view. Sometimes that helps understand  it is stopping at. Just dont want to tear that oring up after waiting so long to actually find a pump in stock.


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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #10 on: September 10, 2013, 05:58:42 am »
The shaft is tapered. It just slides right in.
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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #11 on: September 11, 2013, 12:03:33 am »
Actually, that was not the problem. The shaft is not tapered except up to where the gear mounts.

Many will frown with how I fixed it, and I am not happy either, but only way I know to get it running. Now that I know the process, the next install will actually be really easy.

The problem was I believe I had an O-ring that was out of spec. It was way higher than the shaft surface. Being it is a flat O-ring on each side means that since it was to large, it was compressing and bending "backwards" as I tried to install the pump.

For an visual explanation. Think of trying to install a piston into cylinder solid rings (no space) and no tool to compress them. Darn near impossible.

I had two options. Either use the old O-ring from the old pump or order a new O-Ring. I choose to use the old O-Ring which was only slightly higher than the shaft and it went right in. Still tight and took some pressure, so no doubt the O-Ring is sealed. With the O-Ring and the fact its bolted to the mount,I doubt it will leak. I can see where they could have simply used a gasket as well.

If I do get a leak, I can still take the other O-ring and try and put in the freezer for a bit before trying to install. But with how far it was above the groove, i just felt it was an out of spec O-ring.

And for the problem with the old pump. Appears there are several high pressure points, looks like ball bearings in the case. All were pretty much gunked over expect one. So that one was no doubt leaking enough to keep it looking like shiny new.


Anyway.. Thanks for the help and moral support. Sometimes it helps to bounce things off people instead of throwing good tools into the ground.  :argh:

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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #12 on: September 11, 2013, 05:59:10 am »
Did you try a little veg oil on the o ring?
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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #13 on: September 11, 2013, 04:41:51 pm »
Those o-rings are a PITA!!!

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Re: Replacing CP3
« Reply #14 on: September 12, 2013, 01:08:33 am »
Did you try a little veg oil on the o ring?

I used oil. Nothing would have shrunk it enough. I should have mic, d the sizes.

 

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